Tatiana
Professional Wrestler
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Apr 28, 2024 9:39:49 GMT -5
Post by Tatiana on Apr 28, 2024 9:39:49 GMT -5
It has been brought to my attention that there was (or is) some confusion about my last RP... Yanno, the one that got me booted from the last few shows? So, I wanted to clear things up. NEVER and I mean NEVER is it a shoot. Anything I say in an RP or on Twitter-X is ALWAYS a work and NEVER a shoot. Even if it might seem to be dancing on the edge, or veiled work/shoot - I assure you that it is never a shoot. I am an adult, not a child. If I had an issue with anyone, I would speak to them in private about it. If I was going to quit Action Wrestling, I would do it with dignity and not like a small child - and if the staff decided that I wasn't a fit anymore, I might play it up a bit on social media to keep the kayfabe, but I'm not going to go on an ooc shit talking would tour.
It's just a game. Tatiana's toxic character trait is that when she gets backed into a corner and things are falling apart on her, she begins to lash out and blame 'the man' for keeping her down. She did this same thing last year when I literally lost matches at a clip of 3/1 - I didn't quit then, and I wasn't shooting in those RP's either. Most of you know that's a flaw in her character because many of you (rightfully) hit her on it in your RP's when you face her. None of that has changed. Going forward, there will be a LOT of the same from her, and maybe more (unless AW parts ways with Jolee). She is in a conspiracy/lashing-out spiral and will say a lot of shit. Some MIGHT seem like it COULD be a shoot. But again... IT IS NEVER A SHOOT IT IS ALWAYS A WORKThank you for your time.
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Apr 28, 2024 12:46:56 GMT -5
Post by Downfall on Apr 28, 2024 12:46:56 GMT -5
I understand where you're coming from, but I have thoughts about it.
Firstly, it doesn't make a lot of sense.
If you're criticizing AW in a way on main that makes it seem like you're criticizing the booking, i.e, not just Brady Bolt, but the actual bookers holding you back, then saying "it's never a shoot, it's always a work" doesn't quite ring true. Are you not on some level saying what you're actually feeling?
There is a LOT of anti-AW sentiment out there.
A good deal of it is incredible sincere, and it owes a lot to burned bridges, people not liking the previous admin's booking, or, actually, the most basic reason, someone didn't win a belt.
Someone didn't get to do a storyline 100% the way they wanted. What I'd like you to be mindful of is that, if THIS IS A WORK is how you're playing it, you're shouting this stuff into a pool of people that are already tearing us down quite regularly. People that continue to shit on us for XIII, when we've long since buried that hatchet here and tried to move on. Again, if you're saying it's a work but you're tweeting it out to the people that aren't working, then it is actually a shoot whether you intend it that way or not, and it's fueling more fire and negativity to come our way.
And again, I'll let anyone run with however they want to write.
But I want you to actually think about this: how is your storyline affecting US? How is your going out there, burying management consistently (then claiming it's not how you actually feel), affecting the people in this fed? Because let me tell you the effect on this roster we have here, and anyone actually curious about Action Wrestling that wants to give us a look and see what hard work the people writing the shows, and more importantly, the good work being done by the people that consistently show up every week and do segments, and turn in extra content on the Internet Board. People aren't going to see that. They're going to see you working your storyline, and claiming that all we do is intentionally hold people down, and they're going to see the people that got burned by not getting what they wanted from Torture or being shot on a little too hard from Jill and me, and they're going to step in line and say "AW sucks, all they do is shit on people."
How does your work, constructively, do anything for anyone, even Tatiana Jolee? What's the endgame?
But my second thought, and this is just me talking shop, is how do you grow from that?
This is the thing about all characters, "X_ is a conspiracy nut that thinks everyone is out to get her" is a valid flaw, it's a realistic trait. But all of these characters should be constantly changing, and that's a thing that hasn't changed. How do you grow out of that, have some pushing back against that, make your character examine that and move past it? I understand your character because in a lot of ways, the journeyman aspect of Tatiana is similar to Downfall's, but I had Downfall change over time to where he embraced these faults. It leads to you not just seeing how you can get your character over a loss, but also ways to move forward. If you're just saying "this is the way the character is, that's how the character always reacts" then you're leaving a lot of potential for growth on the table.
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Apr 28, 2024 14:00:57 GMT -5
Post by vespertine on Apr 28, 2024 14:00:57 GMT -5
And here's my 2 cents. I have done this before with this character and others. And I have ALWAYS been banned. I shot on why my character lost, maybe it's the writers, maybe it's the admins, or maybe it's something else. And I have ALWAYS been banned because of it. And never was I EVER allowed back. To this day, if I try to get back, I still can't. The reason was because my character was shooting on (insert conspiracy theory here) and we can't allow that in this fed. So you might want to think about trying a different direction with TJ because being the conspiracy theorist doesn't always work the way you want it too.
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Tatiana
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Apr 28, 2024 20:52:29 GMT -5
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Post by Tatiana on Apr 28, 2024 20:52:29 GMT -5
You are under the impression that I spend all day dumping on AW on Twitter, when in fact I have said almost nothing about the fed on social media. Certainly nothing corrosive or overtly toxic. I cannot help the fact that others dislike the fed, but I should remind you again that I did a LOT of damage control after things got ugly and defended this place despite the controversy overshadowing what should have been my best moment.
Also, I have never once complained about match outcomes. This isn't a "woe is me I didn't win a match" topic. It was simply to say that TJ has a huge flaw in her character and this is why she acts this way.
She came up in 1999 when women were just eye candy in wrestling. She was a closeted queer person during a time when you could be fired, or socially ostracized for being gay. And thus, she is hard-wired to fear she's being persecuted when things go bad for her.
It's a trauma thing from growing up gay in the 1990's.
She LOVES the business so much that when things start to go bad, she takes it like a personal failure. And it's easier to convince herself that it has to be some sort of persecution rather than shouldering the idea that it's a personal failure on her part.
However, she does know deep down that it's all on her... which is evident in my rps with little tidbits I.E. - "was it an AW problem, or a TJ problem?"
It's a means to lay bare her flaws as a person. And playing on those flaws as a writer.
If a character has no evident flaw, they are just vanilla. And just because she doesn't just change and evolve right before your eyes doesn't mean it's not happening. Or that she isn't aware of her own shortcomings.
The main point is that I haven't complained once about losing matches. I don't dm the staff to whine about outcomes and most of the time, when somebody beats me for a title - I DM them to congratulate them, because it's a big deal for a writer.
And again. I haven't really said anything disparaging about the fed on Twitter- don't take my word for it, go look for yourself (@joleetatiana) - most of my tweets are just nonsense pics with stupid quotes attached to them.
Also, I'm not even upset about -this- whole thread. My initial point was to tell you all that I am not shooting, and explain why TJ is the way she is. I think half of the "problem" is perception. Downfall is rightfully protective of the fed, and taking me out of context because he is assuming I'm trying to hurt the fed to get some sort of 'street cred' out there on the socials. When really, it's not me saying bad things (or much at all) about AW outside of my rps.
And Ves is probably under the assumption that I am complaining about how I'm being booked, when it's not me ooc who is upset about it, but rather TJ the character who is pissed about it.
To be clear (once again) I am not ooc mad about anything. It's a game, and I'm playing my character within the game. I sell everything and never complain about anything. I'm not out there disparaging the fed on Twitter to play the angle, and I'm not in DM's trashing the fed... in fact I've always been clear to anyone trying to poach me that I have no intention of leaving AW at the moment, and that I enjoy working with everyone here.
Which isn't the sort of thing a hateful writer feeling jaded would say to people inquiring about joining their fed.
I'm happy to talk shop. And I've laid down the reasons my character is the way she is. I purposely played TJ in such a way as to have her completely different from my other main efed character (@rowenkito). I wanted to play from a different sort of mindset. Also the reason I chose to play a new character who is in her 40s is so those stated flaws have a backstory/purpose - as I pointed out above.
So please don't take it personally, because it's not personal. It's a game, I'm never shooting and I'm not out there on social media shitting on the fed. All negative things said are just in my rps and so really, only those in the fed who actually read my rps are the ones seeing TJ's bellyaching.
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