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Post by Estrella Luiz ✨ on May 20, 2019 19:14:16 GMT -5
Before I go any further, I know what will mostly be said as I’ve asked this in the past. “You’re better than you think!” “Just keep it up” but I’m actually looking for solid advice on how to get better at this whole thing. I’ve only been playing Estrella for six months, let alone just barely been writing in general since March of last year. I’m getting really down on myself as I’m trying my hardest yet I’m stuck in this rut.. if someone could give me some advice, I’ll love you forever. Thanks, Cassie ✨
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Post by Beau Del Sol on May 20, 2019 19:20:54 GMT -5
Go to Odins feedback thread
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Post by Alex Richards on May 20, 2019 19:30:53 GMT -5
Real Talk.. Your character voice is good. But you gotta work on developing your shoot voice. Also you need to either expand upon your ideas more or compete in the television title division because if you don't use the 4k your opponent is going to and it's real hard to beat a top level rper when you give away words to them. Don't get down on yourself.. you're a talented writer.. it just takes time.
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Post by Ryan Elias on May 20, 2019 19:44:08 GMT -5
I sent you a PM
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Post by Hollywood Horror on May 20, 2019 19:47:06 GMT -5
Best advice I can offer is to find a dancing partner. What I mean by that, is find a person to feud with so you can build some more bite. It could be someone you can share wins and loses against while you build up your character.
Losing sucks and it doesn't help one's confidence, I get that but sometimes you have to turn a loss into something that propels your character and your story.
Everyone loves an underdog story and not everyone can no sell a loss or we'd have a fed full of Shadowloves lol. I'm kidding.
You had something going with Karma in WCF and I'm sorry I had to bail at the time of that, but a good feud will indeed help.
Plus some people do a story arch that creates a complete series of rps for the readers to buy into.
Don't give up and don't let losses and criticism bring you down. Build on that shit and aim for the stars.
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Post by Jordan on May 20, 2019 20:26:12 GMT -5
Write more, write longer, shoot harder. Don't get down on yourself. Most of us are depressed to some degree and doubt our ability with shit. You want to get better and climb and prove yourself both to yourself and others? I'd love to see you do it. If you're not where you want to be, do more. The path to "proving yourself" also means you gotta have that sort of fire in you and you gotta bring it each week. If it's an opponent you think you can beat, show out. If you don't think you can beat them, show out. Be observant of everyone. Assess who all you perceive to be more talented or effective than you and emulate the things that you and/or others feel to be their strengths. Make their strengths your strengths and do it better. This might sound redundant, but efedding is sort of psychotic lol. I have absolutely nothing but respect for the top guys here, but I wanna topple them every single time. If I don't, I want to the next time. There are some super naturally talented writers/shooters/storytellers here and I know that I'm not one of them myself. You gotta be a damn nerd, man haha. You kinda end up dedicating a small part of your brain to HOW you can be better, but also try to stay chill and take shit in stride. It's a weird balance. Be analytical with this game ALWAYS. Whenever you find yourself in a situation that doesn't require your attention much, let your brain travel back to this world and how you think Estrella can climb up just a little bit more. Don't be sad about losing, get fired up about winning the next!
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Post by Wade Moor on May 20, 2019 22:05:42 GMT -5
What also helps is a really refined gimmick for your character. It sounds hokey as hell but it really helps you discover parts of your character you never knew existed. You never really know how people are going to react to certain stuff so you just have to kind of flow with it.
If you want any help ironing out a gimmick, hit up my PMs. I thoroughly enjoy coming up with them and fleshing them out.
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Post by Lissie Hope on May 20, 2019 22:42:57 GMT -5
Posted this to you privately but wanted to see if others think I’m on the right track.
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Post by Wade Moor on May 20, 2019 22:50:00 GMT -5
Posted this to you privately but wanted to see if others think I’m on the right track. To add to this; Shoot is all about balance. I think people are really quick to absolutely blast their opponent like they aren’t shit. It does an absolute disservice to your character immediately. This next bit is a little advice from Eddie Guerrero He had a match with Mike Quackenbush when MQ was a rookie. Eddie Guerrero built Quackenbush into an absolute force to be reckoned with and all it took was one match. When asked why he did that he said - and I’m paraphrasing - “if I made you out to be a bum, then who did I beat? It makes me look like a bum. I made you into a force to be reckoned with so win or lose it helped us both.” So the balance is “yeah you’re good but this is why I’m better.” Thoroughly research your opponent. It actually makes you and your character look like they want to win. They have some motivation that’s crystal clear.
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Post by Odin Balfore on May 20, 2019 22:55:11 GMT -5
Posted this to you privately but wanted to see if others think I’m on the right track. To add to this; Shoot is all about balance. I think people are really quick to absolutely blast their opponent like they aren’t shit. It does an absolute disservice to your character immediately. This next bit is a little advice from Eddie Guerrero He had a match with Mike Quackenbush when MQ was a rookie. Eddie Guerrero built Quackenbush into an absolute force to be reckoned with and all it took was one match. When asked why he did that he said - and I’m paraphrasing - “if I made you out to be a bum, then who did I beat? It makes me look like a bum. I made you into a force to be reckoned with so win or lose it helped us both.” So the balance is “yeah you’re good but this is why I’m better.” Thoroughly research your opponent. It actually makes you and your character look like they want to win. They have some motivation that’s crystal clear. Who taught you that bull shit.thats not how we shoot in this house hold lol
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Post by Wade Moor on May 20, 2019 22:58:26 GMT -5
To add to this; Shoot is all about balance. I think people are really quick to absolutely blast their opponent like they aren’t shit. It does an absolute disservice to your character immediately. This next bit is a little advice from Eddie Guerrero He had a match with Mike Quackenbush when MQ was a rookie. Eddie Guerrero built Quackenbush into an absolute force to be reckoned with and all it took was one match. When asked why he did that he said - and I’m paraphrasing - “if I made you out to be a bum, then who did I beat? It makes me look like a bum. I made you into a force to be reckoned with so win or lose it helped us both.” So the balance is “yeah you’re good but this is why I’m better.” Thoroughly research your opponent. It actually makes you and your character look like they want to win. They have some motivation that’s crystal clear. Who taught you that bull shit.thats not how we shoot in this house hold lol Oh shit dads home And I tell him “check the win/loss brotherbrother jack duder”
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Post by Odin Balfore on May 20, 2019 23:01:53 GMT -5
Who taught you that bull shit.thats not how we shoot in this house hold lol Oh shit dads home And I tell him “check the win/loss brotherbrother jack duder” Egg salad
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Post by Shadowlove on May 21, 2019 0:39:50 GMT -5
Shadow seems to be the prototype character that people gravitate towards in threads like these because as a character, he’s never truly won a major Championship but is still considered a top-tier talent that people want to see as a World Champion.
I see Estrella as the same type of character. You have a standout character just as Casey Holliday, Claire Hawkins, Lissie Hope, Kennedy Matthews, and Hazel Overton. So don’t be too frustrated, you just need more time to establish your character, as many people need to do when getting into e-fedding.
I’ve been writing Shadow & Miyamoto for over 3 years now and I’d say that it took me almost 1.5 years to completely be satisfied with the development of their characters to my liking. I’m always trying new things and taking risks with their characters. I wouldn’t worry to much about wins and losses, even though wins and losses do have some meaning in e-fedding, it’s not the only thing that makes this hobby a challenging escapade.
You have to be invested into telling a story that only you’re interested in telling. Are you invested into taking the time and effort needed to develop Estrella into a successful character? Are you invested into the willingness to take the risks that are needed in order to have a successful character?
I could’ve thrown in the proverbial towel, but I didn’t, I’ve used my losses and the quality of opponents that I’ve faced in those losses as a benchmark for my success. The more that I worked on the nuances of their characters, the more the essence of Shadow & Miyamoto characters started to shine. I knew that I had something unique going on with Shadow and Miyamoto and I wanted to continue on with their very unique complex character development.
I didn’t think Shadow was ready for Alex Richards in the UCI, but, even though I lost, we both brought out the best into each other that made for one helluva UCI World Championship match that established both characters by turning that match into a match of the year candidate. Then came, Kevin Bishop. Kev was the perfect foil for Shadow and vice-versa.
Shadowlove vs. Kevin Bishop was without a doubt the best feud that I’ve ever had in e-fedding. Dandy DiVito vs. Sam Kidsgrove has the same vibe.
The Shadow vs. Kev feud started in UCI and officially ended in AW. We feuded for over a year, Kev won the first two matches against Shadow, but Shadow’s been kicking his ass ever since. Swept him 4-2. And 6-2, and counting, if you count how many times I’ve kicked T.F.K.’s handler’s ass in AW. Psyche. lol
I think you’ve got the basic nuance of Estrella down and you’ve got the basic voice of Estrella down. So, my advice:
1. Just keep writing Estrella until Estrella becomes second nature for you to write.
2. Make her more of a standout character than Casey Holliday, Claire Hawkins, Lissie Hope, Kennedy Matthews, and Hazel Overton.
3. Mix your character development and your shoot equally, while adding more viciousness to your shoot.
4. Find that one character that you can feud with that will bring out the best in both your characters.
5. And just remember, the most important thing to remember is that this hobby of ours isn’t a job, but just an adventure, so just remember, that girls just wanna have fun.
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Post by Gravedigger on May 21, 2019 18:53:21 GMT -5
Give me $50 per week and we’ll talk!
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Post by Ryan Elias on May 21, 2019 18:56:52 GMT -5
You said that deal was exclusive between you and me!!!!!
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Post by Gravedigger on May 21, 2019 19:10:43 GMT -5
No that was $50 per week in bitcoin. This deal with Estrella is $50 in cold hard cash!
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Post by Gravedigger on May 21, 2019 20:32:24 GMT -5
A more serious piece of advice is to strike out on your own. That’s no offense to Lissie or your recent tag partner Kennedy. I’ve seen you two (referring to Kennedy and you) since you started in WCF and I don’t remember seeing much from you other than tagging. It’s really super hard to improve and to become a better writer while in a tag team.
I’m not saying though to abandon your current storyline but that at some point in the future you have to go the singles route and stick with it for a while.
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Post by Odin Balfore on May 21, 2019 21:18:09 GMT -5
A more serious piece of advice is to strike out on your own. That’s no offense to Lissie or your recent tag partner Kennedy. I’ve seen you two (referring to Kennedy and you) since you started in WCF and I don’t remember seeing much from you other than tagging. It’s really super hard to improve and to become a better writer while in a tag team. I’m not saying though to abandon your current storyline but that at some point in the future you have to go the singles route and stick with it for a while. They'd have to both do it together. Grow and develop but it can be hard
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Post by Estrella Luiz ✨ on May 21, 2019 21:54:47 GMT -5
A more serious piece of advice is to strike out on your own. That’s no offense to Lissie or your recent tag partner Kennedy. I’ve seen you two (referring to Kennedy and you) since you started in WCF and I don’t remember seeing much from you other than tagging. It’s really super hard to improve and to become a better writer while in a tag team. I’m not saying though to abandon your current storyline but that at some point in the future you have to go the singles route and stick with it for a while. But I moved to Action because I wanted to get away from tag teaming, yeah I was in a stable and am in a feud now but I’ve thought I’ve been doing a singles run..? And I didn’t post this because I was upset that I lost, lol. I genuinely just want to improve my writinf
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Post by Lissie Hope on May 21, 2019 22:29:36 GMT -5
We’ve only had one tag team match. Promise I won’t hold you back, bestie!
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